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on the understanding of businesses. they operate in environments that most us won't accept. it's very risky, so every day they try to minimize their risk. here's the thing. the message to washington is make a policy if it's not great and get it out early. all the points you just mentioned are things that keep dragging and dragging, and it's just creating this malaise that is really hurting us. >> i understand what you're saying about there about uncertainty, but isn't that nature of our democracy? it's set up to have two sides and debate and change things to adjust to what's happening. it doesn't seem like that's a new phenomenon. would businesses prefer we have a dictatorship to set policy? >> can i say yes? i'm not going to say yes. here's the thing, look, it's true. remember, over the past 40 or 50 years, let's face it, the parties are the discourses getting much more poisonpoisono. people are so convinced they're completely right about everything. they're not coming to the table. it has dramatically changed in the last 30 years. also keep in mind that spending since 1954 -- i wasn't around then,
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